A Short History of the World in 50 Lies - Natasha Tidd

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  pryderi
  December 21st, 2023
  

  

  The Spanish Inquisition had God’s permission for everything they did. So did the folk who tortured four year old Dorcas Good. They were Good People.

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  caesar963
  December 21st, 2023
  

  

  …and forget not your British (miscarriage of) “justice” system (along with your racism & genocide denial). And your industrial torture carried out on entire enslaved populations, by atheist & anti-theist ideologies (planned famines - mentioned here; concentration camps; genocide; etc. etc.). All Good People?

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  Webby1948
  December 21st, 2023
  

  I had hopes this was really going to open up the dusty drawers, like babies on bayonets and the ‘evils’ of the Mau Mau. You know, the Gulf of Tonkin and ‘we’re doing it for Democracy’. While not forgetting all the other lies we’ve been told by our media since, ho ho ho, forever. Let’s hope it’s even-handed in its telling. And exposes the porkies western civ and econ are built on.
  Such as all the evil is done by those considered the enemies of the good ole Western hegemony. Lies such as ‘we only want to protect the people’ and ‘he’s killing his own people’ and ‘they decapitated 40 babies’. Lies like Douma and Bucha and ‘We don’t want to kill civilians, Hunter’s laptop is just propaganda.’ And not forgetting - which I almost did - that only states which don’t subscribe to Washington hegemony are ever guilty of genocide. All the ones toeing the Washing line are only protecting themselves.
  Unfortunately, this book seems to ignore the real lies.
  Though it gives our favourite narcissist the chance to revisit his fave tropes.

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  toadmanga
  December 21st, 2023
  

  ^ absolute nutter

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  Webby1948
  December 21st, 2023
  

  Exquisitely reasoned argument as usual, toadmanga.

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  Malachie520
  December 22nd, 2023
  

  You seem to be a very mistrustful individual, Webby. Not sure what lies you mean about Douma and Bucha. Or 40 decapitated babies. Or wartime intentions. Or…a laptop, really? And your daftness when it comes to who may or may not be guilty of genocide is matched only by ‘exposes the porkies western civ and econ are built on’ in its utter ridiculousness. You need to venture out of your Western-hating bubble and get a clue. Lies are not unique to ‘Western Civilization’ which is, essentially, World Civilization now since the world operates on Western ideas. Sure, there are countries who keep their own versions of their historic culture alive (and even some that operate more or less autonomously while the ‘Western’ world moves around them), but every country on the world stage looks to economic prosperity as a driving force in policy. Has it been perfect? No. Have lies been told in the past? Yep. Do lies continue to be told? Ish. We suffer today with having too much information. It leads to people like you that form delusions because you disregard what you don’t like and believe what you do. Does your mention of Bucha, for instance, represent your delusion that a massacre did not occur there, that the Russians were very nice invaders that would never commit war crimes? Or Douma…do you represent that the Syrian army did not release chemical weapons on their own people? There is precedence for that in that part of the world going back decades. Or maybe it’s that the red-line wasn’t so hard and unwavering as it was made out to be? I’m still salty about that one. What about the 40 babies? Does it need to be *forty* decapitated babies for you to be outraged? Are you mad that it may have been *only* 10 or 20? They wore body cams, you dumbsh*t. They were proud of their massacre. They’re still proud, sixteen *thousand* deaths later.

  I am curious though. Can’t figure out who ‘our favourite [sic] narcissist’ is or what ‘fave tropes’ they get to revisit. Please don’t leave me hanging.

  TL;DR Yeah, what toadmanga said.

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  ATPMolloy1948!
  December 22nd, 2023
  

  I have read Webby comments several times, and I still don’t understand what he is saying?

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  Webby1948
  December 22nd, 2023
  

  Malachie520:
  Yes, I am a ‘very mistrustful individual’. In particular, regarding the extreme gullibility of many members of this site.
  You yourself appear to be one of them. Your questions make that obvious.
  You ask if I believe there was a ‘massacre’ at Bucha.
  I don’t know. Neither do you. You are inclined to believe that the Russians were responsible for the bodies lying nicely spaced for the cameras while I am not. I don’t believe Russian soldiers are particularly ‘nice’ invaders, but neither were the Azovs and other ‘far right ideologues’ as The Guardian called them back in 2015 when they were breaking the Minsk accord designed to leave the Donbas in peace. Those Ukrainian nationalists were sending cluster munitions into civilian areas at the time too, and were wearing - still are - Nazi insignias. Of course, you believe there are no Nazis in Ukraine because Zelensky’s Jewish.That’s because ‘people like you that form delusions because you disregard what you don’t like and believe what you do.’
  I don’t disregard what I don’t like. If I find information that seems more credible than the mainstream ideological guff then I’ll give it more attention. And may change my mind if the evidence is compelling enough.
  The Douma incident has long been exposed as a false flag. Though Assad had given up his chemical weapons in 2013 and was proved by the OPCW to have done so, that did not stop the western media from claiming he had dropped Sarin gas on civilians in Douma. The tale at the time was that the anti Assad rebels funded by America and Saudi Arabia did not have such a weapon and if they had, no capability to use it. This too, was a lie.
  What happened in Douma, was that civilians with breathing difficulties due to dust inhalation were being treated as such when someone burst into the hospital shouting ‘Chemicals!.’ The doctors were dumbfounded because they had found no evidence of Sarin inhalation.
  I don’t expect you to believe any of this. I don’t care that you don’t. You can live believing the BS if you wish.
  But if you would like to cite sources with reliable info to the contrary I’d be delighted to read them. The Wash Post, NYT, Telegraph, Guardian and so on are bought and paid for servants of the corporate media. And as we are daily discovering with regard to the genocide in Gaza, quite compliant with whatever ideology they are required to impart.
  Before the 2020 US election the official story was that Hunter Biden’s laptop was a fake, Russian propaganda to aid Trump’s election. But it has since been proven real, and Russiagate disproven.
  ‘40 decapitated babies’was a lie circulated and repeated by Biden following the Hamas attack on October 7th. It was initially used to justify the horrific genocide currently being perpetrated in Gaza, which continues to this moment, despite its being proven that one baby alone was killed during the attack, and by means unable to determine because, obeying the ‘Hannibal Directive’ Israeli forces, late to the scene, opened fire indiscriminately on civilians, in order either to prevent their being taken hostage, or because it was hard to tell who was who. Hamas wore uniforms while many other Gazans who followed them through the wire did not.Which is why DNA detection has been used to identify the victims who had been incinerated by Israeli Hellfire missiles.

  It is constantly diverting to me that those who know little about current events are the loudest and most insulting towards those who have taken the time to learn and are not swayed by their TV’s relentless ideological diet of pro western propaganda.
  We were lied into Iraq, lied into Libya, lied into Syria,we sold weapons to kill Yemenis, and send billions to Ukraine even though it’s a lost cause and did not just start with Russia’s ‘invasion’ as you claim.It’s also a lie that Ukraine is defending Europe and democracy for all of us. Utter rubbish.
  And the US, UK, Switzerland, Germany France and many others support Israel in their hellbent ethnic cleansing, and accuse those who protest of antisemitism.
  Many, many lies are behind the foundation of western democracy.And others,I have no doubt. But it’s Western hegemony that has the greater currency. At the mo.

  Course, you know better. I’m the ‘absolute nutter’.

  In closing, if you don’t know who the Narcissist is, and are not familiar with his tropes, then why should I enlighten you?
  You’re plainly impervious to information you don’t like.
  That’s because ‘people like you that form delusions because you disregard what you don’t like and believe what you do.’
  That’s what’s called ‘inadvertent self-analysis’

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  Webby1948
  December 22nd, 2023
  

  ATPMolloy1948!:
  Tell me what bits and I’ll explain. It was written quick and is a bit of a rant, but broadly mentions a few of the lies we’ve all been subjected to recently.
  Or are you just piling on?

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  Malachie520
  December 25th, 2023
  

  Sorry. I forgot all about you. But, wow. It’s always neat to see how deficient brains rationalize their opinions even if a little disheartening. Yes, I do know there was a massacre at Bucha. The evidence has been widely disseminated, even if the bodies were too perfectly aligned for your liking (almost like they lined them up before they shot them). There’s a review in front of the International Criminal Court for the war crimes committed by Russia there. I admit I had to look it up before commenting before (like you should have) and Wikipedia refreshed my memory. I’ll further admit I do not remember frequenting any Russian publications when reading the dozens of news articles about it when it happened, though all were very thorough in their reporting and told everybody that Russia said they didn’t do it. At least Hamas had the b*lls to own up to their actions. And then there is Douma. I’m happy you’re happy that Assad gave up his weapons of mass destruction which he planned to use on his own people (or Jews) a decade ago. Can’t imagine why he didn’t get a Nobel prize for his sacrifice. I’m not sure why you think the other autocrats funding him find him competent and trustworthy enough to give him Sarin after he was verified to not have WMDs for use against his own people (or Jews, of course). So I agree with you. No Sarin. Good ol’ Wikipedia said chlorine. Funny, it said nothing about it being this long exposed false flag you dream of since it wasn’t. And the chemical attack was years in the making as the Douma market massacre happened a few years before that.

  You and your laptop. I lived through 2020, as well. Nobody said anything about the laptop being fake. Suspicious, yes. You couldn’t have put that scene in a movie or book and it be plausible. That’s the crazy thing about real life. And the world did get to see the nudes that were on that laptop thanks to the U.S. House of Representatives just recently, in case you missed it. You are literally incorrect about “Russiagate”. The only reason why The Indicted Former Guy wasn’t arrested two years into his Presidency was that the U.S. Department of Justice said eleven (-ish) different times in their special investigation report that their precedent is to not charge a sitting President with a crime and it was up to Congress to pursue the matters further. That, and the fact that even though they found the Trump campaign actively engaging with known foreign spies, they were too dumb to actually collude with them. That’s Don Jr. for you. You remember, the son of TIFG and active participant in his campaign for President, having to testify to the special counsel about those interactions? So yeah. I’m very interested in what you believe is on Hunter’s laptop that was randomly abandoned at a computer repair store four years after his father became a private citizen. Maybe they discovered a trove of bullet-proof evidence of political and criminal nefariousness the likes of which the world has never seen that to actually materialize any of it for scrutiny would break everybody’s mind and the world would collapse so we’ll just need to take their word for it. For the sake of the children.

  It’s hard to follow your train of thought because of how confused you are and prone to group things together that have nothing to do with one another and call it a pattern and then make inferences based on that nonsense. Yes, we were lied to about Iraq, the world at large. But ‘we’ is a big word and based on some of your other ramblings, I don’t think we would agree on its definition the way you use it. For instance, *we* gave Saddam too much credit and took him too much at his word. Would you be apart of that ‘we’ and was just as surprised as the Bush Administration that Iraq had no WMDs? He likely didn’t expect his blustering to get him hanged. Not sure what lies were told about Libya, or Syria for that matter, and there again makes me question your definition of ‘we’. I’ve never been lied to about Libya. I’ve never been lied to about Syria. That’s the benefit of multiple news sources when (and if) I care enough to read about it. Libya and Syria aren’t high on that list. When news about them does reach me, it’s due to some kind of atrocity done by either their governments against their civilians or whatever rebel factions are vying for power today against those same citizens. Sucks being a citizen in that part of the world.

  As the citizens of Gaza are finding out these last two months. This isn’t Israel’s first foray into Gaza and it’s always the same story. Every few years they finally get tired of the near-daily rocket fire and roll in and make a strong show-of-force that outrages the Middle East and tugs at the heart-strings of Western-minded people. The world then tells Israel to stop its tantrum, it’s just a little rocket fire, Palestinians will be Palestinians after all. They’ve gone in a few times in the near-decade Gaza has been under political control by Hamas. And, like every time before, Israel goes back into Israel and the rockets continue. It is insanity to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. October 7 was the red-line and they told the world and Gaza, specifically, that they were coming in and getting rid of Hamas. A million people living in Gaza had a choice. Give up Hamas (and replace them with some other governing body since Israel doesn’t want Gaza) or continue to aid and abet that terrorist organization. Hamas didn’t build miles of tunnels under Gaza while a million people slept and were unaware. Hamas didn’t headquarter underneath a hospital and keep it a secret from nobody except the million people living in Gaza. Hamas doesn’t wheel out their batteries and fire rockets at Israel from anywhere in the “most densely populated place on Earth” and no one saw nothing. There is no reason whatsoever that the Palestinians in Gaza weren’t celebrating their liberation on October 12th after collectively handing over everybody they all knew to be Hamas to Israel before an incursion even happened. Israel could have been spending this holiday season with even more to thank God for with peace between them and Gaza being something real and tangible for the first time in a generation. Instead, no one saw nothing, and sixteen, seventeen thousand Gazans never get to see the new year and Hamas is getting more popular over there by the day. Munchausen syndrome by proxy. And it is very tragic that so many Gazans have been and continue to be that proxy for Hamas. You believe you’re being lied to by Israel (and Western media *eye roll*) about what Hamas did on October 7. You are, once again, literally incorrect that anybody found that only one baby died. I do recall pointing out in my last post, specifically to you, that Hamas wore cameras during their slaughter. Again, b*lls the Russians only wish they had but they have a world reputation to uphold (and ICC investigations to thwart).

  Which brings us to the oft-repeated-but-not-understood [by people like you] definition of the word genocide. There is no genocide going on in Gaza. Period. Over a million people in the most densely populated place on Earth, remember. Genocide is a cleansing of an entire group of people typically based on either ethnicity or religion. According to the stories tugging on the heart-strings, a million Gazans are innocent civilians just trying to live their lives. Israel isn’t trying to eradicate Palestinians, unless you imply that all Palestinians are Hamas. Israelis do see the enthusiastic chanting of ‘from the river to the sea’ in that part of the world (and in other sigh-inducing parts of the world) and still just seek a small subset of a population shown eager to hide, obfuscate, lie about, and support actions that lead to dead Israelis. That is the opposite of genocide. Genocide would be Israel being so fed up with eighty years of bullsh*t that they indiscriminately level the whole of Gaza and the West Bank and kill everybody. You know, like that part of the world wants to do to Israel.

  After all your regurgitation of distorted information and misinformation, you make your stand with who The Narcissist is? Now you’re suddenly bashful about enlightening everybody, even after such bold claims as Ukraine being a lost cause despite the utter ineptness at anything resembling a modern military machine Russia has displayed to the world? You believe people think that Ukraine is defending Europe and democracy? You attribute Yemeni deaths to a weapons deal instead of the non-Western country that is actually using those weapons to kill Yemenis more indiscriminately than Israelis killing Gazans? You’re mad that protesting in support of “Palestine” can get you accused of antisemitism if that protest includes genocidal language such as the aforementioned ‘from the river to the sea’? This is where we circle back to the whole ‘we’ thing. As an American, we have Jewish Nazis, Black KKK members, and Hispanic MAGA supporters so your ridiculous notion that you believe people think there are no Nazis in Ukraine simply because their President is Jewish betrays just how ignorant (or willfully stupid) you are to the real world and the power of group-think to which you are obviously very susceptible to. ‘Many, many lies are behind the foundation of western democracy’ as in, what, what did the ancient Athenians lie about when they laid the foundation of western democracy? It’s like you don’t even understand what democracy is. Or Western civilization. But you know you’ve been lied to. You just don’t pick the liars you choose to believe very well and that is very much a case of operator malfunction instead of being the fault of ‘the West’. The Earth is not flat!

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  Webby1948
  December 27th, 2023
  

  1695 words, posted on Christmas Day. Just tossed it off, did you, when you remembered me?
  You are an ill-mannered semi-literate braggart to whom I have no hesitation in responding in the same coin.
  Mighty tedious to wade through, looking for the ‘rebuttals’ you might wish to make. But where to start…
  With Bucha. All you can comment is that you’re aware of it, and have only read mainstream publications’ accounts, all of which give the same story. This proves only your willingness to believe what you’re told and nothing else, presumably because it’s simpler, easier to understand and far less trouble than searching out a different perspective. That Russia denies responsibility carries no weight with you. All you can say is they lack the gonadal fortitude to admit it.

  If that were true, they’d be like the US and Nord Stream 2. Blaming Russia for what they did themselves.

  Of course your sources corroborate each other. Of course Wikipedia, that irreproachable repository of integrity, has more often than not exactly the same slant as you would find in any other medium.
  And to cite as evidence the International Criminal Court’s investigation into war crimes, is quite frankly risible. It’s certainly not evidence.

  This is the same ICC that is afraid to accuse Bush and Blair of war crimes, though the culpability of those two is quite apparent. Currently averse to accusing Netanyahu as well, of whom more later.
  Mike Pompeo called the ICC a “thoroughly broken and corrupted institution”. And while the US has refused to sign up to it, Washington, wanting it both ways, is only too delighted to assert the credibility of ICC indictments for its own propaganda purposes.
  Quote: ‘you believe people think there are no Nazis in Ukraine simply because their President is Jewish betrays just how ignorant (or willfully stupid) you are to the real world and the power of group-think to which you are obviously very susceptible to.’
  That’s a sentence and a half. And quite half-baked, for all that extra ‘to’ at the end.
  The Jewishness of Zelensky is exactly how many people justify their refusal to believe there are Nazis in Ukraine. It’s ludicrous, but only a self-regarding mooncalf would attempt to ridicule somebody for pointing it out. The fact that you claim never to have come across that ‘argument’ (or had it read to you,more likely) points only to the paucity of your sources and your intellect.
  Douma: Whatever caused those deaths is the cause of claim and counter claim. Initial analyses by German toxicologists ruled out chlorine inhalation for reasons so contradictory they were suppressed by the OPCW in favour of other reports which turned out to be similarly indecisive, and to date no toxicologist has substantiated the allegation that the foaming at the mouth and nasal outpourings were the result of a chlorine attack.The findings disseminated so far are based on eyewitness accounts which raise the obvious question why witnesses to an attack were not themselves affected by it. And while frothing at the mouth is consistent with chlorine gas inhalation, their onset among the cases examined was too profuse and too fast for that particular chemical’s known effects.
  It is also a mystery why Assad, even if he had not given up his chemical weapons, would cross in deliberate fashion a ‘red line’ which was widely known to be a trigger point for US intervention. Far more likely that ISIS or Al Qaeda, funded by the US and its proxies, used another chemical weapon in a false flag attack to encourage such a response.
  Quote: ‘Funny, [Wikipedia] said nothing about it(’s) being this long exposed false flag you dream of since it wasn’t.’ I looked in vain for evidence in support of those three flat words ’since it wasn’t’, only to read it wasn’t because Wikipedia doesn’t say it was. Isn’t that how ‘deficient brains’ rationalize?
  Moving on quick to your appalling, smug declarative that ‘Genocide is a cleansing of an entire group of people typically based on either ethnicity or religion…There is no genocide going on in Gaza. Period.’
  No. Not for the first time in your tiresome, elephantine diatribe, you are wrong.
  The Oxford Dictionary defines genocide as ‘the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.’
  The word ‘entire’ does not come into it. If you had the acuity to follow your own definition you might realise (though it’s unlikely given your entirely misplaced sense of cogitative adequacy) that it would preclude the understanding even of the Holocaust as a genocide.
  Despite your overscrupulous insistence to the contrary,what is currently being enacted in Gaza is the genocide of its population.
  Here is a quote found online from The Guardian, Oct 31 2023:’The founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party trolls: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” The Likud was founded in 1973. And quite unambiguously indicates a determination to occupy the West Bank and Gaza. Which it cannot do so long as the Palestinians live there. In other words, without removing them one way or another.
  Your implication that the Palestinians in Gaza do not deserve empathy because they should have known what Hamas was up to and reported them and their tunnels, shows what a sense-bereft hinterland of hate your head is.
  Do you know what your government is doing covertly? If you did, could you stop it? Would you? Julian Assange is incarcerated for telling the world what the USA was up to, and Edward Snowden is in hiding for revealing what it was doing to its citizens.Even governments who profess the high ground of civilisation come down heavy when somebody steps out of line.
  The people of Gaza, irrespective of whether or what they knew, have been indiscriminately bombed in and from their homes and hospitals and schools. And lives. They have no food or water. There is no working sewage system.8,000 children are dead and many more without limbs have had them amputated without anaesthetic.
  It is a situation that shames the world but Washington vetoes a ceasefire. And the media cancel the career of any celebrity with the b*IIs to speak out. While other, equally pathetic specimens, so easily led by their noses, their inadequate intellects and their psychopathy, make excuses for them. Include yourself in all three.
  ‘This whole ‘we’ thing’: Just another quibble from a mind short of argument.Surely even you are not so dumb as to understand what I mean by that two letter word? Just for you then: by ‘we’ I mean everybody currently living under the overreaching umbrella of the modern media storm of propaganda. The storm that pours its constant Orwellian agitprop upon us. The storm that enables some to ignore -or worse, sneer at - the plight of others, to regard them as inhuman and unworthy of compassion. And to pour scorn on those who think otherwise and dare to say so.
  Quote again: ‘the utter ineptness at anything resembling a modern military machine Russia has displayed to the world?’
  You have shown yourself to be utterly inept at understanding how the Ukraine war is going. Inept at understanding that the Russian economy is vibrant and growing. That the US and its cohorts are fast running out of weaponry and financial resources. And that upwards of $200billion has been wasted propagating a war that need not have happened, has led many countries and their people towards economic disaster and Ukraine itself to the loss of those of its youth without the resources to leave the country. It is utterly gelastic to think you know what is happening when all you are armed with are the lies of the corporate media.
  Quote:’After all your regurgitation of distorted information and misinformation, you make your stand with who The Narcissist is?’
  I’ve ‘made my stand’ many a time on this site, most often against the person to whom I refer as ‘The Narcissist’.
  We all have a choice. Even you.
  I have no intention of disparaging any member, even one I don’t like, if I am not in the process of arguing with them.
  Your inability to work out who that person is, betrays yet again the exiguity of your reasoning. Which is delightfully ironic, given your boastful opinion of yourself.

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